Should Capital Punishment be Abolished?


Name: Karen Gray
Country: England
Email: frecklesonmynose@yahoo.com
Date: 10/12/99
Time: 12:46:51 PM

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I would have to agree with Bunya. Is the judgement reliable. As for the case of torture we all know exists is totally "unchristian" as the state claims it is. This is a very difficult subject, for example in Glenn's case we all know who murdered his family member and due to his understandable anger would feel differently. I cannot truly comment as I feel being in his positon I may feel differently. But then there are miscarriages of justice. They happen all over the world...Zambia I'm sure with one of the highest rates.


Name: Karen Gray
Country: England
Email: frecklesonmynose@yahoo.com
Date: 10/12/99
Time: 12:40:03 PM

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Name: Patrick  Kalombo Chilando jr
Country: USA
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Date: 10/1/99
Time: 7:20:19 PM

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They should not abolish capital punishment.They should even put the names of those excuted in the press like they do in other countries so that others learn.Right now i am told they have not excuted anybody.PLEASE !!! MURDER ,RAPE AND OTHER serious crimes stink.


Name: Bunya
Country: Zambia
Email: Bunyakovsky@omo.com
Date: 9/20/99
Time: 3:23:47 PM

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It is so easy to say that capital punishment must not be abolished but before you say so, ask yourself the following questions: a) Is our judiciary system which passes such judgement reliable? Do they pass credible judgements? b) Are our Police Service's investigation methods professional and reliable? Or do they have to torture you to get the truth?

What we have to ensure that we have is the reliable Judiciary System and Police Service,free from corruption and bribery. Until and unless we do so capital punishment must be abolished. Why ? Because the two systems I have mentioned above seem to be only for the weak in society. The powerful ones are left free and their necks saved. If we had reliable systems we could have had few of the powerful people you know in Zambia.What about some of those junior soldiers whose necks will be hang for obeying their seniors' orders? I do not support capital crime but I am afraid many will be sentenced to death even if innocent until we have credible systems.

For now, I say,"Capital punishment must be abolished".


Name: Mutoiwa wa Chona (henisha)
Country: USA
Email: henisha@ivillage.com
Date: 9/18/99
Time: 9:40:08 AM

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No ways capital punishment..stays in fact continue the death by hanging! Opps if I was the one on the other end of the rope I would be against capital punishment...Criminals would be using tax payers money by receiving free food...I say this cause my father is over taxed and I do not want some criminal in Mukobeko who mercilessly committed a murder or a violent act to be eating free nshima (gamani)...It sounds harsh but, if I remember correctly our nation has scarce resources....The same chaps on death role never showed mercy when they butchered people ..I sympathize though for the political prisoners who are facing death sentences...."Life Goes ON" as good ole Tupac sang....


Name: The Patriot
Country: Tsamunda
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Date: 9/13/99
Time: 11:05:59 AM

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Francis have you got your scriptures crossed! The Mosaic law as it refers to the moral law of God has not changed nor can it change unless the God you serve changes with seasons. What has changed is the ceremonial law which dealt in the main with animal sacrifices. The ten commandments which represent God's Moral law is still intact even with the coming of the christ. In fact what i can say is that the ten commandments are a synoptic view of the Mosaic law which is expanded in the first five Books of the Old testament. Any how the question is should we gas or should we not? I say if the crime is henious then off to the chambers.


Name: The Patriot
Country: Tsamunda
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Date: 9/13/99
Time: 10:34:02 AM

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Francis have you got your scriptures crossed. You say i have misrepresnted the holy writ! Nay i say unto you. The Mosaic law as it refers to the moral law of God has not changed nor can it change unless the God you save changes. What has changed with the coming of the Christ is the ceremonial law. The is no need for animal sacrifices because Jesus is THE LAMB OF GOD! But look this is not supposed to be a religious debate it is about whether sinful people should be excuted or not. My argument still stands does the punishment fit the crime committed? If so what is the havoc all about.


Name: The Patriot
Country: Tsamunda
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Date: 9/13/99
Time: 10:32:06 AM

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Francis have you got your scriptures crossed. You say i have misrepresnted the holy writ! Nay i say unto you. The Mosaic law as it refers to the moral law of God has not changed nor can it change unless the God you save changes. What has changed with the coming of the Christ is the ceremonial law. The is no need for animal sacrifices because Jesus is THE LAMB OF GOD! But look this is not supposed to be a religious debate it is about whether sinful people should be excuted or not. My argument still stands does the punishment fit the crime committed? If so what is the havoc all about.


Name: CA
Country: England
Email: uraken@bigfoot.com
Date: 9/11/99
Time: 11:42:44 PM

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Forget all this stuff about being a Christian nation! That is government propaganda.

Capital punishment should be abolished in Zambia for one very simple reason: the authorities far too often get the wrong man/woman for the crime committed.

It is as simple as that.


Name: Lenny Henry
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Date: 9/11/99
Time: 1:47:38 AM

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After investigating both UNIP and MMD fellows who have been in power since 1964 and getting the real reasons why we moved from riches to rags and then exterminating the culprits using capital punishment, then we will abolish it!!!


Name: CJ
Country: ZAMBIA
Email: ctemba@yahoo.com
Date: 9/10/99
Time: 4:11:36 PM

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"Capital punishment for Capital crimes" Every crime has it's price just as the perils of sin is death.What is the price for capital crimes?Surely not death. What gives us the right to terminate human life do you say our legal system.If one is condemned for life then you and I do not deserve the mercy of God because Jesus came for the sinners and not the perfect.We all would better go to hell if we should create laws based on vengeance.Let's value life and most of all follow bibilical doctrines for our daily life.


Name: CJ
Country: ZAMBIA
Email: ctemba@yahoo.com
Date: 9/10/99
Time: 3:17:43 PM

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"Capital punishment for Capital crimes" Every crime has it's price just as the perils of sin is death.What is the price for capital crimes?Surely not death. What gives us the right to terminate human life do you say our legal system.If one is condemned for life then you and I do not deserve the mercy of God because Jesus came for the sinners and not the perfect.We all would better go to hell if we should create laws based on vengeance.Let's value life and most of all follow bibilical doctrines for our daily life.


Name: CJ
Country: ZAMBIA
Email: ctemba@yahoo.com
Date: 9/10/99
Time: 3:16:29 PM

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"Capital punishment for Capital crimes" Every crime has it's price just as the perils of sin is death.What is the price for capital crimes?Surely not death. What gives us the right to terminate human life do you say our legal system.If one is condemned for life then you and I do not deserve the mercy of God because Jesus came for the sinners and not the perfect.We all would better go to hell if we should create laws based on vengeance.


Name: Francis
Country: World
Email: Sorry
Date: 9/10/99
Time: 2:15:30 PM

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The only reason why I am contributing is because some previous contributers have unknowingly misrepresented the Holy Scriptures. The Mosaic Law given by God through Moses, shows us God's view of murder. He hates murderers. It also shows us that God insists on perfect justice, soul for soul or foot for foot. However, the Mosaic Law was given to the Isrealites, the sons of Jacob only. Others from the nations, who so wishes could submit to the Mosaic Law. Remember the Mosaic Law merely prepare the Isrealites (then chosen people) for the coming of Christ. With the coming of Christ Jesus, God's worshiper no longer fall under the Mosaic Law but the Christian Law taught by Jesus Christ himself. So a Christian would not kill in revenge.

However, the Govenmental authorities are allowed by God to punish wrong doers even with death. Roman chapter 13:

Those who advocate for removal of capital punishment should remember the victims and justice. Ofcourse man-made judicial systems are not perfect, there will be some mistakes. The overall effect is beneficial. Generally countries with firm and consistent capital punishment; Singapore, Saud Arabia etc have comparatively very low crime levels.


Name: The Patriot
Country: Tsamunda
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Date: 9/10/99
Time: 10:00:12 AM

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To kill or not to kill? I say eliminate all manner of animal behaviour by gassing,hanging,shooting or whatever decent way the is to terminate criminals miserable lives. I am a firm believer in the Mosaic law 'an eye for eye',life for life. If some one has no repesct for life then i will not respect his/her life period. Capital punishment is not about deterring others from committing heinous crimes nor is about human rights neither can the issue what if come in. It is all about what punishment fits the crime that has been committed? In other words does the punishment fit the crime. If we all can zero in on issues like that i think we would all come to the conclusion that capital punishment is necessary. Lastly if in carrying out the executions some may be deterred from further killings that should be seen as icing on the cake.


Name: Kelly
Country: Zambia
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Date: 9/2/99
Time: 4:20:15 PM

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Historically, the most developed kingdoms in africa were those that practiced capital punishments of the severest forms including pouring superheated water (how they did this is a marvel) down the offender's sinful throat, or like in egypt where they drained your brains by pocking a stick or wire through the nostrils to the brains and turning the wire (or stick) round and round until the brains turned into a grey jelly which slowly drained thru the nostrils. Oooh. Neat, wasn't it.


Name: Mutale
Country: Canada
Email: bmutale@hotmail.com
Date: 9/1/99
Time: 5:28:55 PM

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A deterent is necesary to play at the back of the minds of anyone planning to or thinking of commiting a capital crime. if anything we need to extend the death sentence to the likes of rape and most degrees of robbery. Swift execution with no right to appeal for cases proven beyond reasonable doubt.


Name: Masauso
Country: Zambia
Email: masauso@mailcity.com
Date: 8/31/99
Time: 3:56:58 PM

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Rape, thetf, murder, corruption etc has become our breakfast, lunch & supper. Its " yesterday" a 3 year old girl was defiled by an uncle," today" a manager has been charged for corruption and it contines with other crimes. Hence we can't deal away with capital pushment. Certain people have to be placed where they belong. If one is an animal then he definetly belongs to the zoo.If you're a criminal, stiff measures are waiting for you according to the stipulated laws. No one is above the law.


Name: Cerril
Country: Australia
Email: Cerril@hotmail.com
Date: 8/31/99
Time: 5:10:43 AM

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How can you even think of abolishing capital punishment, when brutal acts of rape, murder and armed robery are on the increase. With open wars in our neighborhood and easy supply of weapons, capital punishment should be seen as a deterent to those with intentions of easy means of getting rich.


Name: MWANZA  MASAUSO
Country: ZAMBIA
Email: MUFNET.ZCCM.ZM
Date: 8/28/99
Time: 12:32:03 PM

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CRIMINALS SHOULD NOT BE TREATED WITH KID GLOVES, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE APPREHENDED AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE, THEY ARE LET FREE AND THEY COME TO HARASS YOU AGAIN.SO DONT LEAVE AN ENEMY BEHIND BECAUSE HE WILL RISE AGAINST YOU.


Name: no newsgroup
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Date: 8/24/99
Time: 5:32:23 PM

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mbwiza, we're not coming to your newsgroup.We have zamlist, that's enough.


Name: mbwiza
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Date: 8/20/99
Time: 5:35:16 AM

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The newsgroup aol.neighborhood.nation.zambia is up. Check it out


Name: madaliso
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Date: 8/19/99
Time: 4:58:02 PM

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I think maschinoh is convincing on this one. The solution is not to deal with the symptoms of a malaise but to deal with the malaise itself.These offshoots only show their ugly faces when they is something deadly embedded in our society, which in this case is poverty.


Name: Mascinoh
Country: Mporokoso, Zambia
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Date: 8/19/99
Time: 5:54:33 AM

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Tembo:

I 'll give you a simple illustration with the hope that you are with able mental faculties to comprehend the import of my earlier posting.

In Mporokoso we have plenty of land and come rain season, large portions of this land will be turned into maize fields to supplement our meagre earnings. The maize will not grow without competition from weeds the most notorious of which is carpet grass (ulunkoto/ulunkotwa). When you take the uninitiated to the maize fields to help clear ulunkoto, the just cut the leafy and above-ground part of this notorious weed. An extensive root network is ingnored and the uninitiated feel confident about the job well done given that they could clear a maize field of the notorious weed at twice the rate with which the experienced do the job.

Given that you are far sighted individual, Mr. Tembo, you obviously know that the uninitiated is being short sighted. Within a few days of his weeding exercise, the notorious weed will be back with double the intensity (maybe more). You will not kill the weed by simply dicapitating it; remove the greater evil: the root.

Poverty is the root of most of the criminal activities that proceed in poor nations, if we ignore the corrupt criminals in power. Without poverty a husband will not kill his wife over a tablet of soap or over a missing drumstick; a BENG graduate would have a high paying engineering job at some legal firm and not at an underworld garage dismantling stolen vehicles. I could have gone on but who has the time to read such long submissions anyway!?


Name: Tembo
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Date: 8/18/99
Time: 11:42:46 AM

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macintosh, you are so short sighted. Life is not just about one problem. We might as well say we should forget about oppression and concentrate on poverty. I think we need to know what to do with our criminals when they do something to our families. This habit of forgetting about all social problems and concentrating on economics is what produces rich, but immoral countries. South Africa is doing well economically(relatively), but it has the highest crime rate in the world, probably because someone said in their debate rooms: forget about social solutions, first abolish poverty." Thank you.


Name: Mascinoh
Country: Mporokoso, Zambia
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Date: 8/10/99
Time: 9:25:08 AM

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Abolish poverty then we can start discussing abolishing capital punishment.


Name: Anonymous
Country: Anywhere
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Date: 8/5/99
Time: 9:58:17 PM

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Kill them all. However with our messed up legal systems, the crooks with money will always bribe their way out.


Name: MM
Country: Z
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Date: 7/20/99
Time: 2:18:45 AM

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it must be the vodka


Name: YankeeDoodle
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Date: 7/20/99
Time: 1:54:23 AM

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too late the hero


Name: Sydney Mary
Country: Polska
Email: violetm@polbox.com
Date: 7/19/99
Time: 1:25:45 AM

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CORRECTION: My submission could have read as

The brutal murder of former Finance Minister, Ronald Damson Siame Penza, last year should act as a catalyst for us to intensify capital punishment and not abolish it as blindly proposed by some crime-loving contributors. It is irrelevant to even think of stopping the death sentence -- the only weapon to deter would-be murderers and rapists. I propose a Chinese approach of accelerated trial, verdict and execution. We have to clean the motherland by following what our Chinese and American partners are doing --preventing crime and not embracing its perpetrators.


Name: John D.
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Date: 7/16/99
Time: 4:49:33 PM

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Sydney Mary thinks Nawakwi is dead.

Sydney, no. She was just demoted, that's not dying. If demotion was death, then Chiluba is an imperial murderer!


Name: Marshall Mwansompelo
Country: Zambia
Email: mmwansompelo@mailcity.com
Date: 7/16/99
Time: 3:18:49 PM

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I have no strong feelings either for or against capital punishment. It is one of those subjects where a lot can be said on both sides. But if you press me for an opinion, my vote is that it should stay. But then we have a rotten criminal justice system. Our fault may be. We have left the political field to marketeers, taxi drivers and all that. You cannot expect such people to see the point of investing in a civilised law enforcement. No professional person has ever ruled this country. One has told us that he intends to run for the office of president and Zambians have problems making up their minds. Do people like that deserve good governance? Andy Mazoka for president.

Marshall


Name: YankeeDoodel
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Date: 7/15/99
Time: 10:07:07 AM

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Is Nawakwi dead ?....somebody is really out of touch


Name: Glenn
Country: England
Email: glenn.denn@cwc.ac.uk
Date: 7/13/99
Time: 11:36:16 AM

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I was always anti capital punishment until a murder in my family...I now think all the ********* should die as quickly as possible...specially in Zambia where money will eventually get the culprit out...care to comment


Name: Sydney Mary Matongo
Country: Rzeczpospolita Polska
Email: violetm@polbox.com
Date: 7/12/99
Time: 1:49:45 AM

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The brutal murder of former Finance Minister, Ronald Nawakwi, last year should act as a catalyst for us to intensify capital punishment and not abolish it as blindly proposed by some crime-loving contributors. It is irrelevant to even think of stopping the death sentence -- the only weapon to deter would-be murderers and rapists. I propose a Chinese approach of accelerated trial, verdict and execution. We have to clean the motherland by following what our Chinese and American partners are doing --preventing crime and not embracing its perpetrators.


Name: James Mwape
Country: Zambia
Email: jmwape@hotmail.com
Date: 7/8/99
Time: 7:54:17 PM

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Capital punishment should stay intact. This subject has been debated on different platforms by different people looking at it from different points. I need not add anymore but say let it stay. Thank you.


Name: James Mwandwe
Country: UK
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Date: 7/8/99
Time: 12:31:25 AM

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I think the issue of capital punishment is a difficult one to solve. The problem is that all the people looking at it are looking from one point or another. the best way to approach it is this: We are looking at human rights, aren't we? But whose are these rights need to be protected, the innocent or the murderer? I do not see the sence of protecting human rights for a beast that attacks innocent lives. It is very clear social misfits to the extent of taking away other people's lives are not fit to live. But of course it must be proven beyond resoanable doubt that the culprit in guilty. Tell me do you think the murderers responsible for bore-hole deaths need to be in our society? Do you remember the way they killed their victims? Then if you think such people need to be part of us, then you need your brain to be examined very well. Remember the killers of late Penza, do you remember the testmony of the widow? If really they are found guilty do you think those are the people you can do CHIMBUYA with? I rest my case!


Name: Moddy
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:42:01 PM

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Capital punishment started in the Bible, jj. That's true. But we are not in the Bible. We are in Zambia.


Name: Matt
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:13:45 PM

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This is goin to get hot!!! Yes, it must be abolished. Not only is it unchristian, it is barbaric. So many times people have found that the person they sentenced to death was in fact innocent. The problem with capital punishment is that it is the only form of punishment that cannot exactly be reversed or apologised for. It is always too late!


Name: jj
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:11:25 PM

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Martha, it is the Bible itself that introduced capital punishment, so it does not Christian nation-ness. In the old testament they use to kill offenders by stoning them to death. That was in Israel, the first "christian" nation, if you like. So what contradiction is there?

Continue hanging the murderers!


Name: Martha
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:10:48 PM

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We are a Christian nation, for goodness' sake. How can we continue to be one of the few nations on earth that still believe in killing people as punishment?


Name: Test 2
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:10:19 PM

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Yes


Name: Testing
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Date: 7/7/99
Time: 5:10:04 PM

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no